Everyone’s Invited: Interview with Matty Nash of the Mutaytor
Matty Nash has stars in his eyes. Talk to him for five minutes and you will too. Nash is the leader of the utopian performing troupe the Mutaytor, an act that utterly defies description, but is so fascinating that you have to try. This generally leads me to incoherent, yet superlative sputtering. Matty was nice enough to talk to me about the Mutaytor, the message, the groundbreaking performances, and why we’re all rockstars deep down.
Captain Supermarket: My first question is this: how the hell many drums do you people need?
Matty Nash: How many drums do people need or we people need?
CS: [Laughs.] You people.
MN: Well, we need a lot of drums, because part of our formula is creating rhythms for nondancers to get involved with. Sometimes our audience is very much a nightclub or DJ crowd, but many times it is not and we’d rather involve people with our groove, so we try to use percussion and visuality to help people without rhythm really lock into what we’re doing.
CS: I didn’t even think of that.
MN: We want to make a real interactive and not an us-and-them experience but an us-and-us experience. I’ve talked to people that do not dance, that do not go to discos, that do not go see DJs, that do not rave, that we are the only band that they move their body to on the planet and that’s a real accomplishment because in a way, if we can get all the bodies moving, that’s when you start seeing a lot more smiling and a lot more community really connecting.
CS: I definitely saw that at Street Scene. You were on one of the smaller stages, but you guys had one of the most active crowds.
MN: That’s a real big motive for us and that is to really eliminate any real or perceived barriers in between the audience and ourself and I think that San Diego was a great experience for us – at the Street Scene – because it was largely people that had not experienced Mutaytor Force, it was all a green audience for us and they really responded well and came back more and more each time we played and they brought their friends along to say, “You got to see this, you got to experience this.”
CS: It sounds like the band has a populist sort of message you would like to get out.
MN: I think so, and I think the message is, “Everyone is invited to this party, whether you’re six or eighty-six years old, whether you speak English or any other language, whether you are a rockstar or an internet technology nerd, everyone is welcome to come and realize your own creative potential.” I think that certain bands get tied up with messages in their music, fashion or work or style, and Mutaytor is all about giving the audience a little bit of ignition to do their own creative thing, and not just on the night of the concert, but every night, everyday.
CS: So you’re saying that if the Mutaytor had one purpose, it would be going out there and inspiring people.
MN: That’s exactly it. The whole purpose of the Mutaytor Project is to ignite and inspire the creative potential inside of each audience member.
CS: But yet it seems that you have a really good handle on what it means to be a rockstar. For example, you refer to the Mutaytor Force, the Mutaytor Culture, the Six Finger Salute… these are all serious rockstar tools, the kind of stuff I would expect to see out of someone like Bowie.
MN: Yeah. We took our lessons from a lot of classic rock bands. I think that we combine the DIY ethic of the punk rock era, the giant bombast and overkill of the heavy metal era, and the underground stick-it-to-the-man of the rave era. We make no bones about it; we call ourselves and our audiences rockstars. And even though we might not live up to that on paper all the time, I think that we can really generate a feeling of connectivity that we’re not all alone, and there are other people out here trying to follow their dreams and goals, not just in performance art, but in any creative capacity, and that there’s no insider handshake. We’re all the same.
CS: It seems like you’re rebelling against the nihilistic elements in a lot of popular music.
MN: I agree, and that has its place, and we’re all fans, and we all have our days when it’s Nine Inch Nails-let’s-put-on-our-black-lipstick, but I really think that Mutaytor is all about positive universal messages and I think that sometimes bands that have an aggro look or attitude sometimes shut out a little bit more than they would maybe wish to. We don’t want to shut anything out.
CS: Right. Bring it all in.
MN: Bring it all in, exactly.
CS: So you’re the leader of the Mutaytor, correct?
MN: Yes. I call myself the founder of the project and I’m very lucky to be surrounded by a lot of talented people and a very collaborative and democratic group. I steer the ship, but it takes a lot of work and ideas and opinions to really shape things fully. It’s very much of a collective.
CS: That actually answers my next question. Well done, well done. [Laughs.]
MN: [Laughs.]
CS: We were talking earlier about the Mutaytor’s place in the LA scene. I was wondering if you would talk a little bit about the Mutaytor’s musical family tree. Where do you see yourself in relation to other bands?
MN: We started our project at only underground events: art galleries, raves, warehouse parties, things that didn’t have hard ticket sales or big radio or big advertising. It was definitely off the beaten path. We grew out of the Burning Man culture that has a small Los Angeles scene and then found our way into the rave and DJ world as well as the art scene, and we figured that any one of those weren’t enough to support a band, so we tried to tap into smaller communities that didn’t quite have a movement or a scene wrapped around them and slowly built that up until we could schedule our own events. That was between the years between 2000 and 2003. And then we started doing so much business at these parties that Hollywood took notice and we started playing more mainstream venues, starting at the Tea Club and then moving to bigger 1500 seaters, like Avalon and Music Box. We found that we could adapt that world, that underground, edgy party vibe into something that could be enjoyed by mainstream audiences as well as our core following. We hoped the transition would be smooth, and it was actually scary how easy it was. We expected a lot more hesitance on both sides but it felt like everybody was rooting for us. So, it was something that started out as a very grass rootsy sort of thing, and we still have that with our extended family, but we have been able to attract enough of a business that we can connect with bigger radio festivals like Street Scene and Coachella as well as do bigger, high profile events up and down the West Coast.
CS: I was wondering about your sound. You get a lot of genre-defying bands who end up creating their own name for their sound. But you guys beat the hell out of the genre, track it home and TP its house. Do you have a name for your music?
MN: Not really. [Laughs.] I think we’re in the unfortunate position of being that keynote band in that scene that people will then describe other groups as Mutaytor-esque. The good news and the bad news is that we don’t really have a category per se that’s easily fileable in a record store or on iTunes, and that’s a blessing and a curse. What we do is we look at all areas of not only pop culture but we have roots that go into blues idioms, we have jazz players that play in our group, there’s definitely a folk or storytelling thing with our dancers providing the narrative, and we nibble at hip-hop, we nibble at heavy metal. I think that if you try to figure out our music, that would be a tall order and a large headache that would probably not get you very far. Ours is an experience. It’s not just a show, it’s not just a band, but what we try to do is create something that doesn’t work so well without the other. I look at our CDs and DVDs as souvenirs, not the product. The product is the experience with the fire, and the people flying over your head and giant, bombastic drum attack, and sex appeal, and comedy. That’s really where we’re coming from. To give you one little tidbit about what you will be hearing from Mutaytor in the next year in terms of our music is that we’re actually learning how to be a band. We would not really interface on stage and we would play the same routines and the same program, and we’re actually learning how to interface live, bass guitar, electric guitar, horns, voice, turntable scratch and I see that our next recorded output as being a hodgepodge of sounds, but more organic, more of a rock band instead of this DJ meets tribal attack.
CS: I was actually going to ask you about that. I was wondering if you were worried that the recorded elements, the CDs and whatnot, would not give the whole experience of the band.
MN: Yeah, we know that it never will and we don’t even address it. I don’t view the songs or the CDs as the product, and that’s a little bit scary to people in the music industry, because all of a sudden, “Wait a minute, I don’t have the control anymore!” [Laughs.] They’re gonna buy the CDs. We do okay with that stuff, and our music does get licensed for a lot of uses in the commercial realm, but these are just milestones, these are just signposts, they’re really just, I use the word souvenirs, but they’re really just clues to unlock the bigger picture of our experience, which is the whole thing put together and I think that’s something that makes the audience a little bit more active rather than passive and I think that it makes music snobs have to go the extra mile to understand us and then enjoy us. I think that once they turn that corner, we become one of their favorite bands by default because we’re reinventing the paradigm of how music is sold.
CS: So are you using the internet, like youtube and myspace, to get the experience out there?
MN: Absolutely. Those are great tools for us to connect with our audience and it’s so easy to get content up and out there. Our growth on our website as well as our myspace and youtube presence has been exponential. We’ve been national touring this year. We’ve got out to the East Coast and the Midwest for the first time and help build our audience the old fashioned way, just by a lot of shows. I do see us using not only the internet, but certain kinds of radio stations, certain kinds of TV stations, to help project our message as well. I do think that, ultimately, we will be able to do the kinds of numbers that bigger rock bands do, in terms of album and DVD sales as well as concert tickets and I think we could even go beyond that and create Cirque du Soleil-style installations in Vegas, Asia and Europe, as well as create different kinds of shows; full performance art centers, versus sporting events, versus theatre, versus rock concerts, versus festivals.
CS: It’s funny that you brought up Cirque du Soleil because that’s one of the only things I could think to compare the show to.
MN: Yeah, when people ask me for the sound bite, I tell them we’re Cirque du Soleil on steroids. Cirque du Soleil is the biggest game in town and they’re the best at what they do, and that’s not what Mutaytor wants to be. They already are that, and they cover that ground very nicely, thank you.
CS: It seems like you guys have a little more on the burlesque angle, sort of the stuff that they wouldn’t do, the hula hoop tricks, RayRay.
MN: I think that there is some content that would be recognizable in their shows, but instead of an acrobat that’s been doing it since they were four, those are otherworldly humans that we could never approach being, or trying to come close to. What we have with Mutaytor are real people, ordinary people, doing extraordinary things. These are people, who, in their regularly scheduled lives, have degrees in science, are graphic artists, are martial artists, are teachers and lawyers. Our day job profile is staggering. Very few of them come from a musical performance art background. Mutaytor changed all that.
CS: Where do you find them? Or do they find you?
MN: It’s a double-headed process. I’m good at discovering talent and nurturing it, but I don’t decide content or dictate how an act will go or how a song will go. That’s up to the individual to pursue their creative dreams, and me and the rest of the group will try to create the tools and space to make that vision happen. And people that know me are just like, “Matty, you gotta check this guy out. Wait till you see what he can do.” Our turnover rate is surprisingly low. We don’t add or subtract a lot of bodies per year. What we try to do instead, is have a modular, rotating cast that we can call on, that not only exists in Los Angeles, but in other cities that we travel to, so that we can tap local talent in every town that we play, both musically and visually. This works to keep our sound and look fresh, makes touring easier, as well as integrating local talent, so that when we’re visiting a new town, somebody can look up on stage and go, “Oh my God, I know that girl! What is she doing with these people?”
CS: So you’re kind of the musical Justice League.
MN: We are the musical Justice League, and quite honestly, I don’t think there’s anybody on this planet that couldn’t be in the Mutaytor somehow. I really do think that the welcome mat is there, it’s just a matter of the right time and place and talent. There are some people that it might just be a once in a lifetime appearance, and there might be other people – you might be a charter member and not even know!
CS: RayRay definitely caught my eye.
MN: Yeah.
CS: Where did you find him?
MN: RayRay is the creation of Raymond Persi who is a director and animator of The Simpsons television program. Raymond won an Emmy and we’re very proud of that fact for his work on The Simpsons. What RayRay is, is a creation where he can get out some of the ideas and messages that aren’t appropriate for The Simpsons or his other professional work. What I really enjoy about RayRay, is that to me, and I think to a lot of the other people in the audience watching, is that it represents the duality inside of us all, the inverse of the ego. It kind of sucks having to be a nice person all the time and do the right thing and do the moral thing, do the human thing, and wouldn’t it be cool, if every once in awhile we could just get away with doing the naughty thing, doing the wrong thing? And I think what RayRay does is get to get away with it and exploit that fact magnificently and in a harmless, fun way. I think that the fact that they don’t have mouths makes them enigmatic and mysterious, and I think that we’d all love to be a little bit more mysterious and have people wonder about us, like, “Wow, what’s going on?” I think that RayRay’s messages are a lot deeper than they appear to be on the surface, that there’s a double, if not triple, entendre going on with all of their acts and I think they touch upon some of the hot buttons that we can’t talk about, or show necessarily, but that RayRay somehow gets away with it.
CS: Certainly the Communist imagery was pretty striking.
MN: I don’t think it’s Communism, but I think there is a politic involved, and I think there’s very much of the The Man versus the common man and RayRay likes to revolt and upset the mores of society, and he’s a cartoon, so he can make up the rules.
CS: Tweaking noses without ruffling feathers.
MN: I think that’s a great way to put it, and I think that’s important. We don’t want to do anything that’s going to turn off audiences. We have sex appeal, but it’s positive sensuality. We have humor, but it’s not antagonistic or too biting. We have drama, but it’s not too heavy. We want there to be enough lightness and balance so you just can’t wait to see what’s coming up next on the stage.
CS: Well, it definitely works. What’s next for the Mutaytor?
MN: Fourth quarter this year we’re going to be doing a lot of West Coast appearances. In September, we’re going to be taking part of the Vegas Music Conference in Las Vegas, and this is a West Coast branch of the big Miami Winter Music Conference which is a big DJ gathering. At the end of the month, September, we’re going to be playing our first major stadium show. Mutaytor is going to be on the bill, in Northern California for Download Festival, which is going to be at the Shoreline Amphitheatre, and we’ll be joined by such luminaries as Beck, and Muse, and Wolfmother and the Shins. October sees us at seven nights of mayhem at Universal Theme Parks in Hollywood, in Universal Studios. We’re going to do seven nights of Halloween content up there with zombie go-go dancers and all kinds of pyro and hijinks. Then November will see our first real return to our theatre work here in Los Angeles, we’re going to do a DVD shoot, our first concert DVD film at Henry Fonda Music Box. Then back up to NorCal for An Evening with the Mutaytor at the Fillmore.
CS: Did you say zombie go-go dancers?
MN: Yep.
CS: Dude, I am so there.
MN: I know! Zombies are sexy as hell, it’s just that they just have this bad reputation for eating people and converting the undead and they are that, but they’re so much more.
CS: There’s a lot of prejudice against the undead.
MN: I know.
CS: Let’s just break down those walls too.
MN: [Laughs.] No, Mutaytor is going to stay among the living. We might invite a few zombies onstage to rock with us, and again, we convert civilians into rockstars and maybe those civilians might be dead at the time.
Visit Matty Nash and the Mutaytor at http://www.mutaytor.com/ to see clips and pics of this most unique troupe, and unleash your inner rockstar.